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An excellent passage I am now writing a study on in the Book of Colossians.

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"And I am now rejoicing in [my] sufferings over you, and filling up in my flesh what is lacking of the afflictions of Christ for His body's sake, which is the church, of which I became a servant
 

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Faith In The Afterlife, And The Patience Of The Saints

- How do you feel about the doctrine of eternal torment? Do you believe it's what scripture teaches, or just a misconception the church has taught fr many centuries but which has no basis in either reality or the scriptures?
- Belief in eternal torment has come under heavy fire during the last half a century especially, and even many Christians will now attack it openly, accusing those who teach it of portraying God as a sadist who takes pleasure in torturing His creations.

                                       

- I can at least sympathize with the desire not to portray God as evil.
- But the question is this: What would humanity think of God if no punishment would ever come to the most wicked people who ever lived?
- What if there would be no punishment for serial rapists or mass murderers, or the many genocidal dictators who have slaughtered millions of innocent people?

                           

- What if no punishment was promised for those who attempted to exterminate entire races of humanity based purely on their family genealogy?

                           

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- Here is an even more pointed question: What would the Christians have thought about God if they were told during New Testament times that the emperors who were casting them into the arena to be eaten alive by wild animals, or who were having them tied to stakes and set on fire to serve as human torches for dinner parties were never going to suffer any punishment in the afterlife?

                                                   

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- New Testament Christians would likely have come to the conclusion that He did indeed delight in human suffering, and theirs especially, based on the following deductions:
A. He was allowing them to be mercilessly tortured and killed, despite having the power to prevent it.

                                 

B. He was also commanding them under no circumstances to take vengeance against their enemies, but endure their afflictions without returning evil for evil.
C. Then, in telling them, "'Vengeance is mine,' says the Lord. 'I will repay,'" what God was actually saying was, "I want vengeance entirely in my hands, and I intend on bringing no punishment whatsoever to those who are torturing you."
- Thus, He was not only willfully allowing their torture and martyrdom, but taking every measure to see that no harm would ever come to their tormentors, either in this life or in the next.
- Now what would THAT message have said about the Christian God? At the very least, it would have said it was not a wise idea to serve the Him, unless you had a masochistic side or a death wish.
- The Psalmist found these thoughts just as disturbing when he was thinking along these same lines, and only when God finally revealed to him the truth about what would become of them in the afterlife did he finally have peace about it.
- Let me read for you Psalm 73:

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     I was envious of the arrogant when I looked upon the peace of the wicked. For they have no pangs until death. Their bodies are fat. They are not in trouble as others are. They are not stricken like the rest of mankind. Therefore pride is their necklace, and violence covers them as a garment... They scoff and speak with malice. From on high they threaten oppression. They set their mouths against the heavens, and their tongue walks about through the earth...  Behold, these are the wicked, always at ease. They increase in riches.... But when I thought how to understand this, it seemed to me a wearisome task, until I went into the sanctuary of God. Then I discerned their end. (Psalm 73:3-9, 12, 16-17) 

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- Why was it a "wearisome task" for the Psalmist to mull over this dilemma? Because God has placed within every one of us a sense of justice, and it does not set well with human beings when people commit terrible cruelties and injustices against others and forever go unpunished.
- But as we shall see, the saints preached that the justice of God would prevail, and that those who tortured and afflicted the innocent would one day suffer retribution from God for it.
- This is what Paul was preaching in the opening verses of 2nd Thessalonians.

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Affliction To Those Who Afflicted Christians

     One of the first things Paul mentioned in his second letter to the Thessalonians was how well they were persevering in the face of persecution while nevertheless remaining faithful to God. It was something Paul told other churches about:

     Paul, Silvanus and Timothy, to the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ. Grace and peace be unto you from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ.
     Brothers, we ought to always thank God concerning you, as this is fitting, seeing as how your faith is growing abundantly and the love of all of you towards one another is increasing, so that we ourselves boast amongst the churches of God over your endurance and faith in the midst of all the persecutions and afflictions which you are bearing, a proof that God’s judgment is just that you be counted worthy of the kingdom of God for which you are also suffering, since it is a just thing with God to repay affliction to those who are afflicting you, and to you who are being afflicted, rest together with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from Heaven. (2 Thessalonians 1:1-7a)


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- That they were manifesting "endurance and faith in the midst of all their persecutions and afflictions" suggests they were enduring sufferings of many kinds, but bodily afflictions was specifically mentioned here among them.
- The typical way Romans silenced trouble-makers during New Testament times was to subject them to flogging, something Paul himself had to endure on five different occasions.

                           

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- But Paul's encouragement was that God's justice would prevail, and the afflictions the Thessalonians were suffering would eventually serve as proof that it was a just thing with God to grant them rest with Christ at his return, and affliction to those who were affliction them.
- And when and where would this affliction occur? A look at commonly held Jewish beliefs during this time reveals he believed the torment of such people would commence after death. 4th Maccabees records that when Antiochus Epiphanes IV conquered Jerusalem in 168 A.D., he ordered multitudes to be tortured to death for refusing to bow down to him as a god. One young man whose brothers had already been thrown into a burning cauldron retorted to the king that even worse tortures were awaiting him in the afterlife. As he told the king:

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     "Justice will hold you in store for a fiercer and [more] everlasting fire, and for torments which will never let you go for all time." (4 Maccabees 12:12)

     Notice that the young man made an appeal to God's justice just as Paul did. The full version from the Greek Old Testament reads as follows:

     And [the young man], running up to the pans, said, "Impious tyrant, and most blasphemous man, were you not ashamed, having received prosperity and a kingdom from God to slay His servants, and to rack the doers of godliness? Wherefore the divine vengeance is reserving you for eternal fire and torments, which shall cling to you for all time. Were you not ashamed, man as you are, yet most savage, to cut out the tongues of men of like feeling and origin, and having thus abused them to then torture them? But they, bravely dying, fulfilled their religion towards God. But you shall groan according to your just deserts for having slain without cause the champions of virtue." Wherefore, he continued, "I will not forsake my brethren. And I call upon the God of my fathers to be merciful to my race. But you, both living and dead, He will punish." Thus having prayed, he hurled himself into the pans and so expired. (4 Maccabees 12:10-19)

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- Paul was teaching these same things. In keeping with God's sense of justice and divine vengeance, those persecuting the Thessalonians would suffer "everlasting destruction from the presence of God" when He returned to establish His kingdom on earth, adding just a few verses later:

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     And to you who are being afflicted [will come] rest together with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from Heaven together with the angels of His power, who in flaming fire will take vengeance upon those who do not know God, and those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. These will pay the penalty, everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His strength when He comes to be glorified amongst His saints... (2 Thessalonians 1:6-9)

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- Christ Jesus taught the same thing to His disciples in Matthew 25. In teaching on events that would both precede and follow His second coming, the Lord told them:

     When the Son of man comes in His glory, and all the angels are with Him, He will then sit upon the throne of His glory. And all the nations shall be gathered before Him, and He will separate them from one another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And He will set the sheep on His right hand, and the goats on His left... Then He will say also to those on His left, "Depart from Me, those who have been accursed, into the eternal fire that has been prepared for the Devil and His angels"... And these shall go away unto eternal punishment, but the righteous unto eternal life. (Matthew 25:31-33, 41, 46)

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- Justas Christ said He would tell them, "Depart from me into the eternal fire," so too was Paul telling the Thessalonians that the wicked would suffer "everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His strength[/I]" when He came to be glorified amongst His saints.

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     κόλασιν αἰώνιον = "punishment everlasting"

- The Greek words here κόλασιν αἰώνιον mean literally "eternal punishment," and those who teach there will be no punishment for the wicked must also believe that Satan and his demons will likewise never suffer punishment for their sins either, since this passage states that both will go to the same place. As He says, "Depart from Me, those who have been cursed, into the eternal fire that has been prepared for the Devil and His angels." Scripture also says that Death and Hell will eventually be cast into the Lake of Fire as well, after the thousand year reign of Christ is over. If there is no one in Hell to cast into the Lake of Fire, then this promise has no meaning. 

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Passages On The Ancients Suffering In Hades

- But scripture attests in several places that there were indeed conscious beings in Hell.
- One such place is found in Ezekiel, where God told the prophet to lament over the fate of the Egyptians, for although they were a strong nation they would be conquered. And when they died and went down to Hades their physical strength would completely perish, and the giants of old who had been there for centuries would mock them over it:

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     Son of man, lament over the strength of Egypt, for the nations shall bring down her daughters dead to the depths of the earth, to them that go down to the pit. They shall fall with him into the midst of them that are slain with the sword, and all his strength shall perish. The giants also shall say to you, “Are you in the depths of the pit? To whom are you superior?” Go down and lie with the uncircumcised, in the midst of them that are slain with the sword. There are Asshur and all his company... There is Elam and all his host round about his tomb… and the uncircumcised that go down to the depths of the earth, who caused their fear to be upon the land of the living. And they have received their punishment with them that go down to the pit… And they are laid with the giants that fell of old, who went down to Hades with their weapons of war. (Ezekiel 32:18-22, 24-27 LXX)

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- The Greek word used here is literally Hades, which transferred directly over into English.
- The same Greek word is used when the Lord commanded Isaiah to take up a lamentation against the king of Babylon, prophesying of how ancient kings who were already in Hell would very cruelly welcome him into Hades, and mock him for no longer being someone worthy to be celebrated.

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     Take up this lamentation against the king of Babylon... Hades from below is provoked to meet you. All the giants that have ruled over the earth have risen up together against you. All the kings of the nations have raised up from their thrones. All shall answer and say to you, "You also have been taken, even as we, and you are numbered amongst us. Your glory has come down to Hades, and your great fanfare." They shall spread putrefaction under you, and the worm shall be your covering... You shall go down to Hades, even to the foundations of the earth. (Isaiah 14:4, 9-11, 15)

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- The Masoretic, or Jewish Old Testament, shines even more light here, using for Hades the word Sheol, but referring clearly to the same place of torment:

     Sheol from below is stirred for to meet you at your coming. It stirs up the departed spirits for you.... All of them shall answer, and say to you, "Are you also made as weak as we? Your majesty is lowered into Sheol, and the noise of your harps. The maggot is spread under you. Yes, the worms cover you." (Isaiah 14:9-11)

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- That Sheol would stir up the departed spirits in Hell to meet him is accounted for by how both Heaven and Hell supposedly know what's going on upon the earth, and are therefore aware when someone of great stature is coming. These ancient rulers were there fore prophesied to insultingly "welcome" him into the afterlife when he got to Hades.
- Notice, too, these rulers would be giants, a fact that coincides with both archeological evidence and the Biblical record. Even the nations of Egypt and Babylon depicted some of their kings as giant in stature.
                                                           

                                                       

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- Thus, the teaching here was that men who had been far greater in stature and fame during their lifetimes would mock men like the king of Babylon when they arrived in Hell, letting them know they were now nothing in the world they had been cast down into.


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The Rich Man In Hell: A Clear Depiction Of Torment

     Now there was a certain rich man, and he was clothed in purple and fine linen, making good cheer during the day in splendor. And a certain poor man named Lazarus was laid up at his porch, being full of sores, and desiring to be satisfied from the crumbs which fell from the table of the rich man. But coming, even the dogs licked his sores. And it came to pass that the poor man died, and he was carried away by the angels into "the Bosom of Abraham." And the rich man also died and was buried. And having lifted up his eyes in Hell, being in torment, he saw Abraham from afar, and Lazarus in his bosom. And crying out, he said, "Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am suffering in these flames." But Abraham said, "Child, remember that you did fully receive your good things in your lifetime, and Lazarus likewise his evil things. But now he is comforted here, and you are suffering. (Luke 16:19-25)

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- Again we have the same thing. Lazarus suffers afflictions in his earthly life, being covered with sores. The rich man meanwhile lives in splendor, and spends his days "making good cheer" which means giving himself to eating and drinking in celebration. But Lazarus who suffered affliction in this life receives rest in the afterlife, being in the bosom of Abraham (which signifies abundance). The rich man, however, though he had the means, did nothing to ease the afflictions of the righteous, and now suffers affliction in the Underworld as a result. Instead of helping him, the rich man left Lazarus to the dogs, suggesting that those who do nothing to help the afflictions of the righteous will suffer the same fate as those who persecute them. 

                       

                     

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- Some say this teaching is merely a "parable," but why would God's word make so many references to the wicked suffering torment in Hell if it were not the case? It essentially makes God out to be a liar.
- Others also argue that no man could see from Hell all the way into Heaven, which proves this could not be a real story. But this is blatantly ignoring early church teachings on the matter. The church originally taught that until Christ's crucifixion, Paradise was located in the Underworld alongside Hell, with a great gulf fixed between the two of them that didn't allow for one group to pass over to the other. When Christ descended into Sheol, He preached to the Old Testament saints who were there in Paradise, informing them that He was the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world, and that the price had now been paid for them to be translated from "the kingdom of darkness" up into "the kingdom of God's dear Son" in Heaven.

                       

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     By this was fulfilled the saying that "captivity was led captive," for "the gates of Hell" could not prevail against the church. They were delivered up into Heaven after Christ's ascension, which is where all true believers now ascend to after death.

                             


Hellfire: The Teaching Of The Early Church

     The early church didn't just make up their teachings. What they taught was handed down to them by oral tradition from what the apostles taught. Thus, when there a firm consensus exists in early church teachings regarding a particular subject, it strongly suggests this was the teaching of the church from the very beginning.
     Such is the case on the doctrine of Hell. It was taught universally during the first few centuries of the early church era.

     [God] will examine everything and will judge justly, granting recompense to each according to merit. To those who seek immortally by the patient exercise of good works, He will give everlasting life, joy, peace, rest, and all good things... [but] for the unbelievers and for the contemptuous and for those who do not submit to the truth but assent to iniquity, when they have been involved in adulteries, and fornications, and homosexualities, and avarice, and in lawless idolatries... in the end, such men as these will be detained in everlasting fire. (Theophilus of Antioch, To Autolycus 1:14 [A.D. 181]).

     To those who have done well, everlasting enjoyment shall be given; while to the lovers of evil shall be given eternal punishment. The unquenchable and unending fire awaits these latter, and a certain fiery worm which does not die and does not waste the body, but continually bursts forth from the body with unceasing pain. No sleep will give them rest; no night will soothe them; no death will deliver them from punishment; no appeal of interceding friends will profit them. (Hippolytus, Against The Greeks, 3, [A.D. 212]).

     I am not ignorant of the fact that many, in the consciousness of what they deserve, would rather hope than actually believe that there is nothing for them after death. They would prefer to be annihilated rather than be restored for punishment. . . . Nor is there measure nor end to these torments. That clever fire burns the limbs and restores them, wears them away and yet sustains them, just as fiery thunderbolts strike bodies but do not consume them. (Minucius Felix, Octavius 34:12-5:3, [A.D. 226]).

     An ever-burning Gehenna and the punishment of being devoured by living flames will consume the condemned; nor will there be any way in which the tormented can ever have respite or be at an end. Souls along with their bodies will be preserved for suffering in unlimited agonies. . . . The grief at punishment will then be without the fruit of repentance; weeping will be useless, and prayer ineffectual. Too late will they believe in eternal punishment, who would not believe in eternal life. (Cyprian of Carthage, To Demetrian 24, [A.D. 252]).

     It should also be noted that these are quotes from the first three centuries of the church, when persecution against Christians continued to take place at the hands of the Roman Empire. Thus, just as affliction was a way of life for believers back then, so too was it commonly taught that their torturers were going to be duly rewarded in afterlife.


Why Hell Is Being Revealed Once Again

      Hell is now being revealed more than ever before in human history. Believers are sharing accounts of being taken there in spirit and witnessing the torments that go on there every day. Some doubt these accounts, but they do so foolishly. Joel prophesied that God would restore visions and dreams to His people during the end-times, and these represent some of the early fulfillments of this prophecy. The reason why is detailed in the accounts themselves. 21st century Christians especially in the West, live a sheltered existence compared tor their New Testament counterparts, but greater afflictions and persecutions than at any time in history are eventually going to come to the end-time saints, and the Lord is seeking to prepare them for it. Those who endure will be greatly rewarded in eternity, but those who succumb out of fear and denounce the Lord in order to save their lives will suffer the same fate as those who did so in the early church. They will eventually be cast into the same Lake of Fire prepared for the Devil and his angels:
     From Kathryn Baxter's account we read the following:

     I heard the Lord say, "My Spirit will not always strive with man. Come and see the beast. "During the last days an evil beast will arise out of the earth and deceive many from every nation upon the earth. He will demand that everyone receive his mark, the number 666, placed in their hands or on their foreheads. Anyone who takes the mark will belong to the beast and will be thrown with him into the lake of fire which burns with fire and brimstone.

"The Lord God expressly declares that those who take the mark have affirmed their allegiance to the beast and will be cut off from the Lord God forever.  They will have their place with the unbelievers and workers of iniquity.  The mark states simply that those who possess it have rejected God and have turned to the beast for sustenance.

"The beast and his followers will persecute those who refuse the mark and will kill many of them. Whatever pressures they can bring to bear will be used to force believers of the true God to be marked. Children and infants will be killed before the eyes of the parents who refuse to take the mark. There will be a time of great mourning... [for] many will be beheaded for trusting the Lord God. But blessed are those who die in the Lord, for great will be their reward..
(Baxter, A Divine Revelation Of Hell, P.195-197)

     That believers will be beheaded for trusting in Christ during the end-times is clearly prophesied by scripture. As the apostle John recorded in his vision:

     I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus, and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast nor his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (Revelation 20:4)

     Beheading is a truly barbaric form of execution, and it is something many Christians will not only have to witness but in many cases also experience. How vital then that the doctrine Paul was teaching be taught once again, lest they be told by their toturers that their "god" has no power to save? Believers who witness and/or experience such brutalities will need to know their deaths will not simply be overlooked by God. But once again the message will be preached that their tortures will be avenged by the Lord at His return, and that those who afflict the righteous will themselves suffer affliction when He returns to be glorified amongst His murdered the saints.
     This is why Hell still needs to be taught and affirmed. Those who refuse to teach it, saying God would never send anyone to Hell, will be playing into the hands of the Devil himself during the end-times. They will inadvertently send many there themselves by preaching that it isn't real, despite what the church of the Lord Jesus Christ has taught from the very beginning.






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Know God's Prophetic Timeline, To Avoid Being Deceived

     What's your reaction when you click on a sensationalistic Youtube video or visit a website where someone is proclaiming "the Day of the Lord is here!" and the return of the Lord Jesus Christ, the rapture of the church, and the apocalypse are just days, months or years away? Do you watch it out of curiosity to see if there might be something to it, or dismiss it out of hand as over-hyped nonsense? Do you watch it with enthusiasm, believing the same thing yourself, or glance at it to see what the buzz is about but know in your heart before even watching it that what they're saying can't be true because the time hasn't come yet?
     Every 3-5 years somebody comes out with some new theory claiming that the apocalypse is upon us, and invariably well-meaning but naive believers get swept up into thinking this might actually be the one. Let me just say at the outset here that it's a good thing to believe in Bible prophecy, and that the time when the Lord Jesus Christ is going to return from Heaven is drawing closer. The problem is that Satan can use your faith against you if you are not careful, and if you fail to educate yourself in what the scripture actually teaches about, because he often takes joy in deceiving believers into thinking the day of the Lord has come when it actually hasn't yet. Such theories appear to do people some good at first, and they start living more for the Lord more and for eternity, even witnessing and evangelizing more than ever before. Unfortunately what follows is humiliation and embarrassment when the day comes and nothing happens, and they are left to grapple with the fact that that they allowed themselves to be deceived  into believing in a falsehood. Their witness becomes crippled, and in worst case scenarios they end up totally disillusioned with the faith, and walk away from God altogether never to return.
     The Lord gave us way to protect ourselves from deceptions like this. Both Jesus and the apostle Paul taught that there were specific signs believers needed to watch for before the Day of the Lord could come, and until those signs came to pass they had no need to worry that the Day of the Lord had come yet. We will be covering some of those signs in this study. Those who are armed with a knowledge of God's word are far less susceptible to being deceived by the enemy.


Famous Delusions Of The 21st Century

     First there was the "Y2K" scare, with Y2K standing for the year 2,000. This was probably a deliberate hoax on the part of Time Magazine just to sell copies, but it worked like a charm because the article just scared the living daylights out of people. Time published an issue in January of 1999 specifically dedicated to Y2K, and the potential apocalyptic scenario that could be looming. The cover showed a man dressed in Jesus garb standing on a busy street, holding up a cross and wearing a placard that said "Is this the end of the world?"

                                                     

     According to the article, supposedly the computers we're going to shut down because programmers hadn't accounted for the turn of the century, and the suggestion was that this would cause the world's economies to crash, and within weeks the planet might devolve into anarchy and mob rule as governments resorted to martial law to control the rioting. This would usher in an apocalypse of Biblical proportions, or at least that's what the cover art insinuated.
     Well, when the time came the clocks turned over and all the fear-mongering turned out to be unnecessary. So little actually happened that over the next few days newspapers took to posting cartoons making fun of the whole Y2K scare, saying the devastation was so widespread that "7 ATMs actually shut down, somebody's automatic toilet wouldn't stop flushing for hours," and other similar sarcastic jabs. 

                                                   

     The problem was, it was not a joke for the Christian ministries who bought in and ran with it, and ended up telling national audiences on televise and radio they needed to take it seriously. They should have known better, and it cast a cloud of doubt on their trustworthiness to even be teaching on end-times prophecy.
     Fast forward 10 years later and we come to Harold Camping. Harold Camping was a radio host who gained control over a radio station called Family Radio, and began making predictions about the rapture of the church. The first prediction he made was for 1994, and when that one didn't come to pass he went back to normal Christian teaching and things settled back down. But in 2003 he began predicting that the return of the Lord and the rapture of the church were going to take place on May 21, 2011, and many people began to get swept up in it.

                             


                                         

     This one was tragic because many sold homes and donated their life savings to advertise for this thing. Over 100 million dollars were sent in for advertising. Much of it was spent on billboards and signs at bus stops. Vans and buses were purchased and painted with advertisements, which others then toured the country with, warning the people to prepare for Christ's return. Some sold their houses and sent in their life savings to pay for this advertising, and were left disillusioned in the aftermath when nothing happened. But the truth is they too should have known better, and especially those close to Harold Camping. It was reported afterward that he was supposedly enamored with Jim Jones, the notorious cult leader who convinced hundreds of his followers to drink cooled laced with cyanide. Camping actually had equipment used in the People's Temple, and used to show it off to people, which is really creepy when you think about it. He would supposedly laugh about donators who asked to get their money back after it had already been spent.

                                         

     A year or so later, the whole Mayan Calendar scare gained national attention. It was based on a few lines of extremely obscure prophecy found in some Mayan inscriptions, that read there would come a display of Bʼolon-Yokte', the Mayan god of war and the Underworld, "in a great investiture." Well, that could have meant anything. It could have simply meant that he would parade himself around in an elaborate costume, since this was usually how the Mayans depicted their gods behaving anyway. But this didn't stop various groups from interpreting the expression any way they wanted to.


                                                         

     The New Agers said the prophecy predicted the coming of a great spiritual awakening on earth. Of course, the New Agers always predict that various events will signal the coming of a great spiritual awakening on earth. But Hollywood decided to go the opposite direction and portray how the Mayan god of the Underworld was going to kill us all. So in late 2012 a major motion picture was released depicting scenes of apocalyptic destruction as natural disasters swept across the earth and brought about the end of mankind.

                                                   

                                             
     
     The numbers in this date were even made to have mystical significance, but despite all the hype once again nothing happened. Life went on as usual.

                                                 

     Then in 2017, two men named William Tapley and Scott Clarke began posting videos on Youtube claiming that the tribulation would come on September 23rd of 2017. Supposedly 12 stars that would align themselves over the constellation of Virgo and this would fulfill a prophecy found in Revelations, Chapter 12, where it talked about the woman with 12 stars over her head being attacked by the dragon. Unfortunately for those Christians who bought this fabrication, once again nothing happened, and life went on as usual, leaving those who took their predictions seriously to try and save face after getting worked up over nothing.

                     


Satan's Objectives In Propagating Hoaxes

     What is Satan's objective in inciting men to play off apocalyptic themes for financial gain, or induce them to make end-time predictions that end up being false? As I've already mentioned, he seeks to subject believers to humiliation and embarrassment, and if possible cause them to become disillusioned with the faith altogether. But underneath it all there is an even deeper motive at work. As much as possible, he wants to discredit the word of God. Just as he did in the garden of Eden, Satan essentially wants to get people to question "Has God said?"

     Now the serpent was the most crafty of all the creatures on the earth which the Lord God made, and the serpent said to the woman, "Has God said, 'Eat not of every tree of the garden?'" And the woman said to the serpent, "We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden, but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God said, 'Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.'" And the serpent said to the woman, "You shall not surely die. For God knew that in whatever day you should eat of it your eyes would be opened, and you would be as gods, knowing good and evil." (Genesis 3:2-6 LXX)

     Satan asked Eve, "Has God said you shall surely die?," thereby insinuating that God might be a liar. And by getting Eve to question God's trustworthiness, Satan was ultimately able to seduce her to her destruction. Likewise, the truth of what God has said in His word regarding end-time events will be proven out, and Biblical prophecy has been given by God to warn humanity that a great apocalypse is coming at the end of the age. But for those who get seduced by these repeated failed predictions into thinking it's all a farce will ultimately be led to their own destruction for believing the word of God was little more than a myth that only the gullible believed.
     The answer to not being deceived by false end-time predictions is in knowing what the Lord Jesus Christ and the apostles actually taught about the Day of the Lord, and the conditions under which His return would take place, and we will cover that next.


The Apostasy Must Take Place First

     Here is what Paul told the Thessalonians in Chapter 2 regarding why they should not become concerned if anyone told them that the Day of the Lord was already here:

     Now we implore you, brothers, by the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together unto Him, that you not become quickly disturbed in mind nor troubled, neither by spirit, nor by report, nor by letter as if written by us [intimating] that the Day of the Lord is here. No one should deceive you in any way if the apostasy has not [yet] come first and that man of lawlessness has been revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above everything that is called God or is worshipped, so as for him to sit down in the temple of God, exhibiting himself that he is God. Do you not remember that when I was with you I was telling you these things? (2 Thessalonians 2:1-5)

     What specifically was he telling them when he was with them? Paul likely taught them Matthew 24, which stated that there were several events that would have to take place before the Day of the Lord could come.
     The following is what the Lord Jesus Christ taught His disciples when they asked Him what the signs of His coming would be:

     Nation shall raise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there shall be famines and earthquakes in [diverse] places. But all these are the beginning of birth pangs. Then they will deliver you up to affliction, and will kill you. And you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake. And then many will be scandalized, and deliver one another up and hate one another... When therefore you shall see standing in the holy place the abomination that causes desolation, that having been spoken of through the prophet Daniel, then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains... for then shall be great tribulation such as was not since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever shall be. And if those days were not shortened, no flesh would be saved, but on account of the chosen those days shall be shortened... but immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in the heaven, and then shall all the tribes of the earth wail, and they shall see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Learn the parable of the fig tree: When its branch becomes tender and puts forth leaves, you know that the summer is near. Thus, you also, when you see all these things, then know that it is near, even at the doors. ... Then two will be in the field, with one being taken and one left behind; two grinding at the mill, with one being taken and one left behind. (Matthew 24:7-9, 15-22, 29-33, 40-41)

      Paul used the word "apostasia" to describe this time when many would betray the Lord and deliver each other up to their deaths. This word meant "apostasy" just as it does today. Many Pre-tribulationists want to translate the term as "the departure" to make it out to refer to the rapture of the church, but this is not what the word meant. It was used of those who distanced themselves from religious or political groups, hence its only other New Testament use was of people accusing Paul of "apostatizing from Moses." In other words, the accusation was he was teaching that none of the law of Moses had to be kept.
      Apostasia is also sometimes translated as "falling away," and interpreted to mean a time when Christians will be seduced into backsliding back into the world. But this is not what's being referred to either. Paul was referring to a time of mass apostasy when Christians be persecuted by all nations, and deliver one another to their deaths to save their own lives.


The Nations Must First Turn Against Believers

     Is persecution on such a wide scale happening yet? No, it is not. Certainly there is Christian persecution - even severe persecution - in many regions of the world today, like N. Korea, or the Muslim countries of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Sudan, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, and Somalia. But in the Western Hemisphere, Mexico and Columbia are the only two nations to even make the Top 50 of those who are persecuting Christians. This prophecy states that Christians will be hated by all nations, and that the persecution they bring against the saints will be so severe it brings God's vengeance down upon them. Thus the Day of the Lord is referred to as the Day of His Vengeance against the nations for what they did to His people:

     Come near, you nations, to hear. And heed, you people! Let the earth hear, and all that is in it; the world and all things that come forth from it. For the vengeance of the Lord is against all nations, and His fury against all their armies. He has utterly destroyed them. He has given them over to the slaughter. Also their slain shall be cast out. Their stench shall rise from their corpses, and the mountains shall be wet with their blood. All the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled up like a scroll. All their host shall fall down as the leaf falls from the vine, and as fruit falling from a fig tree. (Isaiah 34:1-4)

     In another place in Isaiah, it says, "I trampled [the nations] in My anger, and trod them down in My wrath... It was for Me a Day of vengeance; the year for Me to redeem had come." (Isaiah 63:3-4)

     Vengeance for what? For afflicting the saints of God, and causing multitudes to betray one another and Him to save their lives.
     So here again we see a sequence of events: All the nations will turn to persecuting the Christians, the great apostasy from the faith will take place, and then the Lord will return in vengeance to punish those who sought to annihilate His people.


The Fourth Beast Must Also Arise First

     Both Paul and the Lord Jesus Christ made reference to the Antichrist coming first. Paul referred to him as "the lawless one" who would take his seat in the temple of God in Jerusalem, and Jesus referred to him in telling the disciples that when they saw "the abomination of desolation standing in the temple," they were to flee to the mountains. This was a reference to the statue that the Antichrist would set up in the temple after he left, as a permanent reminder to the Jews that if they were going to worship anyone it would be him now.
     But in order for the Antichrist to arise first, there will already have to be an empire established in the earth that he will take power over. We know this from how it is described in Daniel, Chapter 7:

     As for me Daniel... I drew near to one of them that stood by, and I sought to learn of him the truth of all these things. And he told me the truth, and made known to me the interpretation of these things. The four beasts are four kingdoms that shall rise up on the earth, which shall be taken away, and the saints of the Most High shall take the kingdom and possess it for ever and ever. Then I enquired carefully concerning the fourth beast, for it differed from every other beast, being exceedingly dreadful. Its teeth were of iron and its claws of brass, devouring [its victims], and utterly breaking them to pieces, and it trampled the remainder with its feet, and concerning the ten horns that were in its head and the other that came up, and rooted up some of the former. That horn had eyes, and a mouth speaking great things, and his look was bolder than the rest. I beheld, and that horn made war with the saints and prevailed against them until the Ancient of days came, and He gave judgment to the saints of the Most High, and the time came on that the saints possessed the kingdom. And he said, "The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom on the earth, which shall excel all other kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth and trample and destroy it. And the ten horns are ten kings that shall arise, and after them shall arise another who shall exceed all the former ones in wickedness, and he shall subdue three kings. And he shall speak words against the Most High and wear out the saints of the Most High, and think to change times and law. And power shall be given into his hand for a time and times and half a time. But judgment has sat, and they shall remove his dominion to abolish it and utterly destroy it. And the kingdom and power and greatness of the kings under the whole heaven were given unto the saints of the Most High, and His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all powers shall serve and obey Him. (Daniel 7:15-27, LXX)

     Some people teach that this "Beast" will be an amalgamation of church and state, with the Catholic Church wielding political influence over the world, but this is not what this passages suggests at all. This will be an empire characterized by military conquest unlike anything the world has ever seen before. Teeth, horns and claws are the means by which animals kill and destroy. When it says, "Its teeth were of iron and its claws of brass, devouring [its victims], and utterly breaking them to pieces," it's victims here are nations. It means it's weapons will be strong, and it will use them to utterly break nations to pieces, and trample the remainder with its feet, meaning that nothing will be left. The nations they conquer by overwhelming military force will be completely assimilated into the empire as conquered territory and cease to exist as nation-states.
     But more importantly as far as the timing is concerned, when it says, "and there were ten horns in its head, and another came up that rooted up three the former," this means that when the Antichrist arises he will usurp rule over three of the former kings who were leading this empire. That means the empire will need to already be in place before he can arise.

                       

     As will be covered in later studies, Paul believed this empire was Rome, and that an emperor would soon arise to fulfill all that was prophesied. Did they have legitimate reasons that Rome was the 4th Beast of Daniel, and that the return of Christ was near? Yes. The empire the Antichrist would arise to assume power over already appeared to be in place.
     Do we have the same legitimate reasons to believe the Antichrist could arise at any time? No, we do not. There are signs this empire might eventually shape among the prominent Muslim nations of the Middle East, but it still has a long way to go. But until we see an empire of military conquest unlike anything this world has seen before taking shape in the earth, we have no need to be concerned that the Day of the Lord is at hand yet.


False Christs Must Also Appear First

     Another sign that must precede the Day of the Lord are false Christs and false prophets who will perform signs and wonders powerful enough to deceive even those closest to God away from the truth:

     Then if anyone says to you, "Behold, the Christ is here, or there," do not believe it. For there will arise false Christs and false prophets, and they will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead if possible even the elect. Behold, I have foretold you. If therefore they say to you, "Behold, He is in the wilderness," do not go forth, or "Behold, He is in the private rooms," do not believe it. For as the lightning comes forth from the east and appears as far as the west, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be." (Matthew 24:23-26)

     Paul repeated this teaching to the Thessalonians when he told them the following later in Chapter 2:

     The coming of [the lawless one] will correspond with the demonic activity of Satan, [manifesting] in all the power, signs and wonders of falsehood and in all the deceitfulness of unrighteousness unto those who are perishing, on which account they have received not the love of the truth for them to be saved. And it is for this reason that God is sending them this demonic activity which endorses error for them to believe the lie: So that all may be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in unrighteousness. (2 Thessalonians 2:5, 9-12)

     More will be covered on this passage in later studies, but do we see these false prophets and false Christs operating in the earth today who can call fire down from heaven, or levitate into the sky, or other powerful signs strong enough to deceive even devout Christians if it were possible? No, we do not. And until we do we shouldn't be concerned that the Day of the Lord has come.


Are You Susceptible To Falling For A Delusion?

     I know some may be telling themselves that they would never fall for the end-time delusions I have mentioned in this study; that they are far to wise to get caught up into believing in such things. But just because you wouldn't fall for them now doesn't mean you might not get deceived if life got considerably harder for you down the road, and you began secretly hoping for the Day of the Lord to come. As hatred from the nations towards Christians increases and circumstances become grow darker for them, many are going to increasingly hope Christ's return is coming sooner rather than later, and there will be increasing temptation to put hope in false predictions about it. For those who do not become educated in the word of God regarding these things, the potential will exist for them to fall prey to delusions and be humiliated, and potentially even be defrauded and become disillusioned with the faith altogether.

                                     


Overview

     This is Title Study For an entire set I will be doing on 2nd Thessalonians. The following is a brief rundown of the studies that will followed their contents:

Study #1: The future location of the Lake of Fire
Study #2: The return of Christ to avenge His own in flaming fire
Studies #3-5: The Antichrist's coming reign of genocide
Studies #6-7: Several things that remain before the Antichrist can be revealed
Studies #8-10: The false Christs that will come, and what they will likely teach
Study #11: Satan's coming attack on the Christian traditions
Study #12: Remaining pure of heart despite the enemy's attacks
Study #13: About combatting the financial exploitation of the Church

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« Last post by Hidden In Him on March 22, 2019, 07:04:53 PM »
Know God's Prophetic Timeline, To Avoid Being Deceived

- What do you believe about the return of the Lord Jesus Christ? Do you think it could take place at any time, or do you believe there are still things that need to happen before it can take place?
- The belief that He could come at any time can in some ways be beneficial to believers because it causes them to be conscious of the Lord's return at all times. He could be coming in 100 years, or He could be coming in 15 minutes, so one has to always be living for God.
- Unfortunately, this teaching also plays into the hand of Satan when it comes to end-time delusions, and I'm talking specifically here about those who set premature dates for His return.
- Yes, I'm aware that those who say He could return at any time are nevertheless quick to add that no one should be setting dates, for the Lord Himself taught the disciples, saying:


     Heaven and the earth shall pass away, but My words shall not pass away. But no man knows concerning that day and hour, not even the angels of Heaven, but the Father alone. (Mathew 24:35-36) Overlapping

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- But here is the problem: If He could return at any time, what's to say He might not be returning at a specific date someone is presenting a convincing case for?
- There have been a number of end-time delusions that have come along just in this century alone, and I will be covering some of them and the effects they have had on people's lives in a moment. But it is clear that people are drawn to date-setting. I was alive to witness the Y2K scare, and the Harold Camping debacles. Then there was the Mayan calendar scare in 2012 (hence the backdrop for this study), and the 12 stars over Virgo delusion that set a date of Christ's return for September 23rd, 2017. 
- What happens is, most Christians have a zeal for the Lord's return, but not much knowledge of the word of God, so Satan uses their zeal against them. In the end, such people get humiliated for proclaiming and believing in something that turned out not to be true, and in worst cases they become completely disillusioned with the faith altogether. As I will cover in this study, some have even sold houses or donated their life savings to advertise for a return that never came.
- Such disillusionments can leave some asking, "Why did God allow this to happen to me?"


                                       

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- Well the truth is, God doesn't allow this to happen to believers. Believers allow it to happen to themselves because they don't give enough time to studying God's word on what scripture actually says about it to be truly educated on the matter.
- Both Paul and the Lord Jesus Himself taught that there were signs believers needed to watch for, and until those signs came to pass they had no reason to be concerned that the Day of the Lord had come.
- This was the protection God gave us against being deceived by the enemy in regard to Christ's return, and it is what I am going to be covering in this study.



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The Turn Of The Millennium, And The "Y2K" Scare

- The first end-time delusion I was alive to witness was the "Y2K" Scare. Y2K stood for the year 2000.
- Supposedly, computer programmers had not accounted for the turn of the millennium, and it was going to cause the world's economies to crash. This would bring about the total breakdown of the fabric of society, and within weeks the planet would devolve into mob rule and rioting the streets as governments tried to maintain control of their populaces. Ultimately, this would usher in apocalypse, and by implication potentially the return of the Lord Jesus Christ.
- Time Magazine even published an issue on it in January of 1999 with... (Describe the cover art: Man wearing billboard sign, holding cross).

 
                                                       

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- This scare gained international attention, and nations around the world ended up spending billions of dollars trying to circumvent this supposed computer bug.
- New York City alone spent something like 400 million.
- Entire teams of people were on stand-by to try and reboot systems and keep things running after the clocks turned over.


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- But then nothing happened.
-  So few malfunctions actually happened that newspapers took to posting cartoons in the following days making fun of it, saying, "5 ATMs shut down in the Northeast,  one guy's automatic toilet wouldn't stop flushing, and not all library cards would scan."


                                                     

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- So it all ended up as a big joke, at least for the world.
- But it was not a joke for the Christian ministries that likewise ran with it, and ended up bearing the shame of supposedly being authorities on Biblical prophecy yet telling national audiences that they needed to be prepared for the worst and that this could signal in the start of the tribulation period.
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Harold Camping, Family Radio, And May 21st, 2011

- Then we fast forward 10 years later, and we come to Harold Camping
- Harold Camping was a radio host who gained control over a radio station called Family Radio. When other controlling members of the station passed away, he had them replaced with hand-picked yes-men types, and eventually began making predictions regarding the rapture of the church.
- His first prediction was for 1994, and when that one didn't come to pass he went back to teaching normal Christian doctrine and things settled back down. But in 2003 he again predicted the return of the Lord and the rapture of the church.

                                     

                                 

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- According to Camping, Noah's flood supposedly took place in 4990 B.C., thereby placing it two millennium earlier than most credible Bible chronologers did. Harold then found a verse in Genesis, Chapter 7 where God promised to send rain on the earth in seven years, applied the principle that "A day with the Lord is as a thousand years," and concluded therefore that the Lord Jesus Christ was going to be returning on May 21st, 2011.
- Despite being a pure fabrication, many got swept up in it anyway, and by the time 2011 was rolling around over 100 million dollars had been sent in as donations to help get the word out through advertising that the rapture of the church was at hand. People were selling houses and sending in their life's fortune to help spread the word. The ministry bought vans and buses and painted them with advertisements, and toured the country warning everyone to prepare for Christ's return.

                                     

                                         

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- As the day approached, public evangelism over the event picked up, with groups of his followers warning the world that the rapture of the church was about to take place.

                               

- But May 21st came and went and nothing took place.
- Harold then tried to regroup by telling them it would actually come six months later in October, and when that failed the radio station's support started dwindling quickly. By 2013, the man whose predictions had effected tens of thousands had passed on to whatever reward was awaiting him.

                 

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- But those who were closest to him should have warned others, because there was something a creepy about Harold Camping to begin with. He was supposedly enamored with Jim Jones, the notorious cult leader who led 300 of his followers to commit suicide by drinking cyanide-laced Kool Aid in Jonestown. Camping actually had equipment that had been used in the People's Temple, and he used to show it off to people. He would also laugh if donators asked to get their money back.


                                       


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December 21st, 2012, And The Mayan Calendar Scare

- A year or so later, the whole Mayan Calendar scare gained national attention. It was based on a few lines of extremely obscure prophecy found in some Mayan inscriptions, that read there would come a display of Bʼolon-Yokte', the Mayan god of war and the Underworld, "in a great investiture." Well, that could have meant anything. It could have simply meant that he would parade himself around in an elaborate costume, since this was usually how the Mayans depicted their gods behaving anyway. But this didn't stop various groups from interpreting the expression any way they wanted to.

                                                             

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- The New Agers said the prophecy predicted the coming of a great spiritual awakening on earth. Of course, the New Agers always predict that various events will signal the coming of a great spiritual awakening on earth.

                             

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But Hollywood decided to go the opposite direction and portray how the Mayan god of the Underworld was going to kill us all. So in late 2012 a major motion picture was released depicting scenes of apocalyptic destruction as natural disasters swept across the earth and brought about the end of mankind.


                                                   

                                             
     
- The numbers in this date were even made to have mystical significance, but despite all the hype once again nothing happened. Life went on as usual.

                                                     

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12 Stars Over Virgo, And September 23rd, 2017

- Then in 2017, two men named William Tapley and Scott Clarke began posting videos on Youtube claiming that the tribulation would come on September 23rd of 2017. Supposedly 12 stars that would align themselves over the constellation of Virgo and this would fulfill a prophecy found in Revelations, Chapter 12, where it talked about the woman with 12 stars over her head being attacked by the dragon. Unfortunately for those Christians who bought this fabrication, once again nothing happened, and life went on as usual, leaving those who took their predictions seriously to try and save face after getting worked up over nothing.

                   

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A Deeper Underlying Motive At Work

- These delusions are not just the products of human imagination. Humans have plenty of help when it comes to religious deception, and beneath Satan's desire to see believers become humiliated and embarrassed lies an even deeper motive: He ultimately wants to Discredit The Word Of God, by making a mockery out of the prophecies of scripture.
- As we get deeper into the end-times, it will become increasingly apparent to those willing to look into what the word of God actually says that Biblical prophecy is coming to pass. To circumvent many coming to faith in Christ because of it, Satan is going to increasingly desensitize people to this by presenting more and more end-time delusions to the public, so that many just sit back and say, "I've seen people predict Christ's return and nothing happened."
- Peter prophesied that a time will come when they deride those who believe in Christian prophesy, and mockingly ask, "Where is the promise of His coming?"

     Knowing this first, that in the last days some will come in mockery, walking according to their own lusts and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming, for from the time the fathers fell asleep all things continue as they have since the dawn of creation." (2 Peter 3:3-4)

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- Just as he did in the garden of Eden, he is essentially getting people to question "Has God said?" He said to Eve "Has God said you shall surely die?," and by planting doubt in her mind about the word of God it ultimately led to her destruction.
- The truth of what God has said in His word will be proven out, but the key to surviving delusions like these unscathed is in knowing God's prophetic timeline, so to avoid being deceived by such things.


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Paul's Teaching On The Timing Of Christ's Return

- Here is what Paul told the Thessalonians in Chapter 2 of his second letter. I will read for you the first five verses:

     Now we implore you, brothers, by the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together unto Him, that you not become quickly disturbed in mind nor troubled, neither by spirit, nor by report, nor by letter as if written by us [intimating] that the Day of the Lord is here. No one should deceive you in any way if the apostasy has not [yet] come first and that man of lawlessness has been revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above everything that is called God or is worshipped, so as for him to sit down in the temple of God, exhibiting himself that he is God. Do you not remember that when I was with you I was telling you these things? (2 Thessalonians 2:1-5)

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- What did Paul mean when he asked them, "Do you not remember that when I was with you I was telling you these things?"
- What did he teach them when he was with them? He likely taught them what Jesus taught His disciples in Matthew 24 when they asked Him directly what would be the signs of His coming, and of the end of the age. Jesus also mentioned several events that would have to take place first before the Day of the Lord would finally arrive:

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     Nation shall raise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there shall be famines and earthquakes in [diverse] places. But all these are the beginning of birth pangs. Then they will deliver you up to affliction, and will kill you. And you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake. And then many will be scandalized, and deliver one another up and hate one another... When therefore you shall see standing in the holy place the abomination that causes desolation, that having been spoken of through the prophet Daniel, then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains... for then shall be great tribulation such as was not since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever shall be. And if those days were not shortened, no flesh would be saved, but on account of the chosen those days shall be shortened... but immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in the heaven, and then shall all the tribes of the earth wail, and they shall see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Learn the parable of the fig tree: When its branch becomes tender and puts forth leaves, you know that the summer is near. Thus, you also, when you see all these things, then know that it is near, even at the doors. ... Then two will be in the field, with one being taken and one left behind; two grinding at the mill, with one being taken and one left behind. (Matthew 24:7-9, 15-22, 29-33, 40-41)

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- Jesus mentioned several things here. Eventually the Antichrist would arise, conquer Jerusalem, and set up the abomination that causes desolation, after which the Jews would flee for their lives.
- Then there would come a time when believers turned on one another and delivered one another up, when the nations turned upon them and persecuted them to their deaths. By this event, Jesus was referring to the same thing Paul was when he told the Thessalonians there would first come a great apostasy from the faith.

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The Apostasy Must Take Place First

- The apostasia is not "the departure," as many Pre-tribulationists want to interpret it. It meant literally "the apostasy," as we still use the term today.
- This word was used of those who apostatized from political or religious groups.

     ἀποστασία, ας, ἡ = Desertion from a particular political or religious body. In the Bible namely, from the true religion.

- An "apostates" was a political deserter.
- In the only other New Testament use, some accused Paul of "apostasy from Moses."

     And [the Jewish believers] are informed concerning you that you teach all the Jews apostasy from Moses in accordance with the Gentiles, telling them not to circumcise their children nor walk in the customs. (Acts 21:21) Overlapping

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- This word apostasia is also sometimes translated as "falling away," and is applied to a phenomenon we see happening today among many Christians. The statistics say that 90% of Christian youth who are being raised in the public schools are departing from the faith once they're out of the house and on their own, and if these trends hold America is going to increasingly go in the same direction Europe went, where churches are now being converted over into markets and mosques, and Christians are very much in the minority.
- But this is not what's being referred to here by the word "apostasy." Paul was referring specifically to a time when great masses of Christians will betray the Lord to save their own lives specifically as a result of intense persecution; the most intense persecution in the church's history.
- Jesus described it as a time when many would be "scandalized," which is a literal translation of the Greek there. A scandalon was the snare for a trap, and becoming trapped in a compromised situation is what the Lord was referring to. When they were taking Jesus to be interrogated and crucified, Peter sought to deny he was the Lord's disciple, but there was evidence against him. Someone said, "But your accent is Galilean," which is where Jesus was from, so Peter was essentially caught in a scandal. So, too, will many in the end-times try to distance themselves from Christ and profess they are not Christians, but they will have evidence against them that they are by association, which will force them to betray other believers and deliver them up to their deaths in order to save their own lives. 

     After a little while, those who stood by came to Peter and said, "Truly, you are one of them also, for even your accent makes it evident." Then he began to curse and swear, [saying], "I do not know the man." And immediately a rooster crowed. (Matthew 26:73-74) Overlapping

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- Do we see this kind of apostasy taking place yet? The simple answer is: No, we do not.

                                               

- Certainly there is Christian persecution - even severe persecution - in many regions of the world today, such as in nations like N. Korea, or the Muslim countries of the Middle East, like in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Sudan, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, and Somalia. But the persecution referred to by Paul here will be so severe it causes a mass exodus from the faith, and it is something still set to be fulfilled in the future, as the time of the Antichrist draws nearer.
- Thus, when you know what exactly you are looking for, it becomes easy to tell that we still have a ways to go before Christians are hated by ALL the nations of the earth, and persecuted so severely that multitudes betray the Lord and deliver each other up to their deaths.

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The Fourth Beast Must Also Arise First

- Both Paul and the Lord Jesus Christ also made reference to the Antichrist coming first. Paul referred to him as "the lawless one" who would take his seat in the temple, and Jesus referred to him as he who would set up "the abomination that causes desolation" in the temple. This was a reference to the statue the Antichrist would erect thereafter as a permanent reminder to the Jews that he was essentially their god now.
- But we know from other Biblical prophecies that in order for the Antichrist to arise, there will have to be an empire already established in the earth that he can assume power over.
- We know this from how this empire is described in Daniel, Chapter 7:


     As for me Daniel... I drew near to one of them that stood by, and I sought to learn of him the truth of all these things. And he told me the truth, and made known to me the interpretation of these things. The four beasts are four kingdoms that shall rise up on the earth, which shall be taken away, and the saints of the Most High shall take the kingdom and possess it for ever and ever. Then I enquired carefully concerning the fourth beast, for it differed from every other beast, being exceedingly dreadful. Its teeth were of iron and its claws of brass, devouring [its victims], and utterly breaking them to pieces, and it trampled the remainder with its feet, and concerning the ten horns that were in its head and the other that came up, and rooted up some of the former. That horn had eyes, and a mouth speaking great things, and his look was bolder than the rest. I beheld, and that horn made war with the saints and prevailed against them until the Ancient of days came, and He gave judgment to the saints of the Most High, and the time came on that the saints possessed the kingdom. And he said, "The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom on the earth, which shall exceed all other kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth and trample and destroy it. And the ten horns are ten kings that shall arise, and after them shall arise another who shall exceed all the former ones in wickedness, and he shall subdue three kings. And he shall speak words against the Most High and wear out the saints of the Most High, and think to change times and law. And power shall be given into his hand for a time and times and half a time. But judgment has sat, and they shall remove his dominion to abolish it and utterly destroy it. And the kingdom and power and greatness of the kings under the whole heaven were given unto the saints of the Most High, and His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all powers shall serve and obey Him. (Daniel 7:15-27, LXX)

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- This passage states clearly that the ten horns will be ten kings that shall arise, and Daniel 2:44 states that "In the days of those kings the God of Heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed."
- This means the ten kings will be alive together at the time when the Lord Jesus Christ returns, and puts their reign very clearly still in the future.
- This is important to understand because there are many that teach that all these prophesies have been fulfilled already, and nothing remains before the Lord can return. This is false. We need to be watching for an empire to emerge that will be led by ten kings, and this empire will be characterized by military conquest unlike anything the world has ever seen before.
- When it says "Its teeth were of iron and its claws of brass, devouring [its victims]," it's victims here are the nations this empire will conquer. Teeth, claws and horns are the means by which the beasts of the earth kill and destroy one another, and these being made of iron and brass suggests that the weapons of war this empire uses will be exceedingly strong, and able to do great damage on earth.

                                                         

- That the empire will utterly break these nations to pieces, and "trample the remainder with its feet" means nothing will be left. The nations it conquers will be completely subsumed and assimilated into the empire as conquered territory.
- What is crucial to understand is that this empire will have to be fully manifest in the earth before the Antichrist can come. This is clear from the words, "and there were ten horns in its head, and [then] another came up that rooted up three the former." It means that when he emerges he will usurp three of the ten kings that head up the empire
- This empire led by ten kings, then, will already have to be in place before the Antichrist can arise to do so.


                       

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- As will be covered in later studies, the apostles believed this fourth beast was Rome, and because it was already established in the earth, they had reason to believe that an emperor could soon arise to fulfill this prophecy. 
- Do we the same reasons to believe the Antichrist could emerge at any time? No. There is no such empire of unparalleled conquest even existence in the earth at the present time. There are suggestions it may eventually take shape among the Muslim nations of the Middle East, but if so it still has a long way to go yet.
- Thus, until we see an empire of military conquest unlike anything this world has seen before taking shape, we have no need to become concerned that the Day of the Lord has arrived yet.


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False Christs Must Also Appear First

- Another sign that will precede the Day of the Lord will be the rise of false Christs and false prophets, who will perform signs and wonders powerful enough to deceive even the very elect away from the truth:

     Then if anyone says to you, "Behold, the Christ is here, or there," do not believe it. For there will arise false Christs and false prophets, and they will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead if possible even the elect. Behold, I have foretold you. If therefore they say to you, "Behold, He is in the wilderness," do not go forth, or "Behold, He is in the private rooms," do not believe it. For as the lightning comes forth from the east and appears as far as the west, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be." (Matthew 24:23-26)

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- Paul mirrored this teaching as well in what he was telling the Thessalonians in Chapter 2:

     The coming of [the lawless one] will correspond with the demonic activity of Satan, [manifesting] in all the power, signs and wonders of falsehood and in all the deceitfulness of unrighteousness unto those who are perishing, on which account they have received not the love of the truth for them to be saved. And it is for this reason that God is sending them this demonic activity which endorses error for them to believe the lie: So that all may be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in unrighteousness. (2 Thessalonians 2:5, 9-12)

- More will be covered on this passage in later studies, but do we see these false prophets and false Christs operating in the earth who can call fire down from heaven, or levitate into the sky, or other such powerful false signs? No, we don't. And until we do we shouldn't be concerned that the Day of the Lord has come yet.

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Future Studies In 2nd Thessalonians

- Describe the first two on camera, and then put the entire list up of ACTUAL titles (rewrite list)

Study #1: The future location of the Lake of Fire
Study #2: The return of Christ to avenge His own in flaming fire
Studies #3-5: The Antichrist's coming reign of genocide
Studies #6-7: Several things that remain before the Antichrist can be revealed
Studies #8-10: The false Christs that will come, and what they will likely teach
Study #11: Satan's coming attack on the Christian traditions
Study #12: Remaining pure of heart against the Devil's attacks
Study #13: About combatting the financial exploitation of the Church



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